OCCUPY WALL STREET

nowandthen · 10-27-2011, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Toughy

The police caused the violence on Tuesday........

No police on Wed night.....no violence.......

figure it out folks

Actually, there were plenty of police they boxed us in as we marched around. they stayed on a one block away perimeter, and there was a 15 car 9 van caravan of police following the march staging and the moving and re-staging as we moved. It was a peaceful march and folks keep encouraging others to stay peaceful it was pretty cool. They closed Bart so folks could not go over to SF as some intended after our general assembly which voted for a general strike on Nov. 2 which was the first general strike vote since 1947. Anyway, I hope the mayor resigns.

nowandthen · 10-27-2011, 10:52 AM

One of the many things I noticed yesterday was the mix of folks and that those folks talked about poor folks, homeless folks, not just the middle class. For me, this fight is not about going back to what we had, it is going forward to something new. The middle class mostly white who are now losing a way of life many folks never had need to re-think how they want to change the system so that we all benefit, instead of supporting a herman cain kind of theory, your poor and homeless and it is your fault.

Barbara Lee our State Rep and a Mills Alum
I shared my outrage and grave concern about the police brutality in Oakland directly with the Mayor. My thoughts go out to the injured and especially Scott Olsen. I strongly support the occupy movement and continue to stand with the peaceful protesters in this struggle for economic justice and equality.

nowandthen · 10-27-2011, 11:01 AM

Cross=posted from Facebook: (Luz, Andrew, Andreana and I have submitted the following proposal to "Occupy Oakland." We will keep everyone updated on its status. It is based on the statement approved by Occupy Boston.)

RESOLUTION: Memorandum of Solidarity with Indigenous Peoples

WHEREAS, those participating in “Occupy Oakland” acknowledge that the United States of America is a colonial country, and that we are guests upon stolen indigenous land that has already been occupied for centuries, Oakland being the ancestral land of the Ohlone people; and

WHEREAS, members of the Indigenous Peoples continued to resist the violent oppression and exploitation of the colonizers since they first arrived on this continent, and as a result have a great amount of experience that could strengthen this movement; and

WHEREAS, after centuries of disregard for the welfare of future generations, and the consistent disrespect and exploitation of the Earth, we find ourselves on a polluted and disturbed planet, lacking the wisdom to live sustainably at peace with the community of Life; therefore be it

RESOLVED, That we seek the involvement of indigenous peoples in the rebuilding of a new society on their ancestral land; and

As a signal to the national “Occupy” movement and Indigenois Peoples who have felt excluded who have felt excluded by the colonialist language used to name this movement, it shall be declared that “Occupy Oakland" aspires to “Decolonize Oakland" with the guidance and participation of Indigenous Peoples; and

Extending an open hand of humility and friendship, we hereby invite Indigenous Peoples to join us in this popular uprising now taking place across this continent. We wish to further the process of healing and reconciliation and implore Indigenous Peoples to share their wisdom and guidance, as they see fit, so as to help us restore true freedom and democracy and initiate a new era of peace and cooperation that will work for everyone, including the Earth and the original inhabitants of this land In Solidarity,

Joanne Barker (510-206-9527)

Luz Calvo

Andreana Clay

Andrew Jolivette

SoNotHer · 10-27-2011, 11:18 AM

There are different rivers running to this delta right now - the disadvantage of asynchronous communication. It's important, however, to focus on the confluence suggested by these rivers of thought.

1) I do think the term "occupy" is not a good one, and if the movement evolves, as I hope it does, this should change.

2) Pain, loss and violence have already begun, whether or not it's at the protests or it's the many injustices and indignities we will never see or know of that have come about as the rich most certainly have gotten richer and the poor poorer. Some of us know people who are losing their homes, in medical bankruptcy, making choices between food and medication, working minimum-wage jobs, not working, not surviving. This battle started a long time ago, and there have long been casualties.

3) We all desire social and economic justice/equality, positive momentum and the opportunity for all to survive and thrive. We are looking for a greater semblance of balance in a system that feels increasingly imbalanced.

So let's agree on the larger points and allow ourselves to respectfully disagree on the some of the finer points for now. I believe these too will work out in time.

If we do not have solidarity here, I can assure we will not be effective against a formidable opponent that has absolutely no interest in giving up the power it has so well accrued.

10-27-2011, 10:52 AM	#2
nowandthen Member How Do You Identify?: Queer Butch Preferred Pronoun?: S/he Relationship Status: In a realationship with my PhD. Dissertation work for the next 3 years Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: West Coast Posts: 508 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 400 Thanked 947 Times in 325 Posts Rep Power: 6580599	Tired of the "middle class" One of the many things I noticed yesterday was the mix of folks and that those folks talked about poor folks, homeless folks, not just the middle class. For me, this fight is not about going back to what we had, it is going forward to something new. The middle class mostly white who are now losing a way of life many folks never had need to re-think how they want to change the system so that we all benefit, instead of supporting a herman cain kind of theory, your poor and homeless and it is your fault. Barbara Lee our State Rep and a Mills Alum I shared my outrage and grave concern about the police brutality in Oakland directly with the Mayor. My thoughts go out to the injured and especially Scott Olsen. I strongly support the occupy movement and continue to stand with the peaceful protesters in this struggle for economic justice and equality. __________________ "Real isn't how you are made," said the Skin Horse. "It's a thing that happens to you." "Does it hurt" asked the Rabbit, "Sometimes", said the Skin Horse, for he was always honest. " It's a Kind of testing, The kind of testing that spiritual warriors need in order to awaken their Heart" PC

10-27-2011, 11:01 AM	#3
nowandthen Member How Do You Identify?: Queer Butch Preferred Pronoun?: S/he Relationship Status: In a realationship with my PhD. Dissertation work for the next 3 years Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: West Coast Posts: 508 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 400 Thanked 947 Times in 325 Posts Rep Power: 6580599	YES, Language matters Cross=posted from Facebook: (Luz, Andrew, Andreana and I have submitted the following proposal to "Occupy Oakland." We will keep everyone updated on its status. It is based on the statement approved by Occupy Boston.) RESOLUTION: Memorandum of Solidarity with Indigenous Peoples WHEREAS, those participating in “Occupy Oakland” acknowledge that the United States of America is a colonial country, and that we are guests upon stolen indigenous land that has already been occupied for centuries, Oakland being the ancestral land of the Ohlone people; and WHEREAS, members of the Indigenous Peoples continued to resist the violent oppression and exploitation of the colonizers since they first arrived on this continent, and as a result have a great amount of experience that could strengthen this movement; and WHEREAS, after centuries of disregard for the welfare of future generations, and the consistent disrespect and exploitation of the Earth, we find ourselves on a polluted and disturbed planet, lacking the wisdom to live sustainably at peace with the community of Life; therefore be it RESOLVED, That we seek the involvement of indigenous peoples in the rebuilding of a new society on their ancestral land; and As a signal to the national “Occupy” movement and Indigenois Peoples who have felt excluded who have felt excluded by the colonialist language used to name this movement, it shall be declared that “Occupy Oakland" aspires to “Decolonize Oakland" with the guidance and participation of Indigenous Peoples; and Extending an open hand of humility and friendship, we hereby invite Indigenous Peoples to join us in this popular uprising now taking place across this continent. We wish to further the process of healing and reconciliation and implore Indigenous Peoples to share their wisdom and guidance, as they see fit, so as to help us restore true freedom and democracy and initiate a new era of peace and cooperation that will work for everyone, including the Earth and the original inhabitants of this land In Solidarity, Joanne Barker (510-206-9527) Luz Calvo Andreana Clay Andrew Jolivette __________________ "Real isn't how you are made," said the Skin Horse. "It's a thing that happens to you." "Does it hurt" asked the Rabbit, "Sometimes", said the Skin Horse, for he was always honest. " It's a Kind of testing, The kind of testing that spiritual warriors need in order to awaken their Heart" PC

10-27-2011, 11:18 AM	#4
SoNotHer Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Professional Sandbagger and Jenga Zumba Instructor Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: In the master control room of my world domination dreams Posts: 2,811 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 6,587 Thanked 4,734 Times in 1,409 Posts Rep Power: 21474852	Coming to Some Consensus There are different rivers running to this delta right now - the disadvantage of asynchronous communication. It's important, however, to focus on the confluence suggested by these rivers of thought. 1) I do think the term "occupy" is not a good one, and if the movement evolves, as I hope it does, this should change. 2) Pain, loss and violence have already begun, whether or not it's at the protests or it's the many injustices and indignities we will never see or know of that have come about as the rich most certainly have gotten richer and the poor poorer. Some of us know people who are losing their homes, in medical bankruptcy, making choices between food and medication, working minimum-wage jobs, not working, not surviving. This battle started a long time ago, and there have long been casualties. 3) We all desire social and economic justice/equality, positive momentum and the opportunity for all to survive and thrive. We are looking for a greater semblance of balance in a system that feels increasingly imbalanced. So let's agree on the larger points and allow ourselves to respectfully disagree on the some of the finer points for now. I believe these too will work out in time. If we do not have solidarity here, I can assure we will not be effective against a formidable opponent that has absolutely no interest in giving up the power it has so well accrued.