Poetry and Class

[dark_crystal]

Originally Posted by SoNotHer

Treat this like a personal therapy session with line breaks, and I'm outta here.

not that therapy through creative expression isn't wooonderful! but you shouldn't try to get people to pay money for the product

[SoNotHer]

;-)

Hey, I'm ready to start a thread on "bad art." Laughing at it should be deeply therapeutic!

Originally Posted by dark_crystal

not that therapy through creative expression isn't wooonderful! but you shouldn't try to get people to pay money for the product

[Apocalipstic]

I know this is off subject, but it reminds me of the poetry I wrote in college....so filled with angst....throwing my pain on paper and expecting others to find it beautiful instead of highly disturbing. lol.

I am very interested to see where the thread goes and explore if poetry published more by elite classes becasue of time to write, accessibility and similar background as publishers or if there is another deeper reason.

I wonder how much powerful poetry never is published.

Here in Nashville the homesless and their advocates publish a newspaper they sell for money to survive. The poetry in those papers is every bit as powerful and more relevant than much of what I studied in college. Amazing really. Hopeful.

[SoNotHer]

Poets and artists report from the edge, and often that's a pretty scary place to be. They are our sentinels. They go out into the emotional hinterlands and come back with some vision of what they saw and felt. They're never the same again nor are we.

What is more common than class is the presence of depression, bipolarity, ADD, and addiction. There is often a price to be paid for knowing and feeling too much.

[Apocalipstic]

Originally Posted by SoNotHer

Poets and artists report from the edge, and often that's a pretty scary place to be. They are our sentinels. They go out into the emotional hinterlands and come back with some vision of what they saw and felt. They're never the same again nor are we.

What is more common that class is the presence of depression, bipolarity, ADD, and addiction. There is often a price to be paid for knowing and feeling too much.

I know I definitely write more whern I am depressed and back when I did lots of drugs. But I never do anything with it....too depressed.

Then when I feel better, there is life to lead.

PS, I love your post here. So incredibly on point.

[macele]

define elite. does it mean money, fame, higher education, location? all these things and more?

is there one definition?

[Apocalipstic]

Originally Posted by macele

define elite. does it mean money, fame, higher education, location? all these things and more?

is there one definition?

I was picturing Lord Byron. lol.

[macele]

i certainly don't read what i consider to be alot.
but if i had not read what have i read lol, ...
i wouldn't be where i am as a poet.
but i do think we need to leave a bit of room for our own expression.
we don't need to take on too much of anyone elses style.
unique is wonderful.
and listening to someone read poetry, ...
can be amazingly moving.
for someone to say they don't read another persons poems, is sad.

i know when i first started writing, ...
the writing was pretty close to 100% self expression.
i started with wanting someone to share my feelings, ...
i grew from there.
at times, i didn't care if anyone else understood.
in fact, i purposely wrote that way.

i'm dark. that's where i thrive. i rarely write happy.

[dark_crystal]

Originally Posted by SoNotHer

Poets and artists report from the edge, and often that's a pretty scary place to be. They are our sentinels. They go out into the emotional hinterlands and come back with some vision of what they saw and felt. They're never the same again nor are we.

What is more common than class is the presence of depression, bipolarity, ADD, and addiction. There is often a price to be paid for knowing and feeling too much.

this book includes a study of poets and suicide- very high numbers which get even higher when you include single car automobile accidents

[macele]

thinking about those that i know with manic depression/bi polar, ...
are intelligent, giving, tender-hearted, emotional, creative.

[Apocalipstic]

Originally Posted by macele

thinking about those that i know with manic depression/bi polar, ...
are intelligent, giving, tender-hearted, emotional, creative.

soooo painfully beautiful
air crackling all around
I am both drawn and triggered