Are butches really a dying breed?

[OS Butch]

Originally Posted by morningstar55

ahh im sorry to read this...... hope you find the right kinda girl
im 57 and well......... im kinda looking around and kinda not.
i adore a old fashion old school type.. BUT i also melt over one with some bad boi , kink ,packing kinda guy mixed in there.. yeha.. lol lol ..... sorry kinda got carried away there.
whewww i need some chocolate

I knew there was a reason I wasn't your type Hehehehe!

[stonebutchinpa]

This old fashioned old school butch is alive and well in PA. I think the femmes are a dying breed, atleast in this area.

[Greco]

Nope! I'm quite alive and well and so are my OSOF Butch friends...Greco

[Breezy]

I met, dated and married my OFOS butch. There are plenty out there, trust me. I see them daily. Most of the butch women I know are not trans but go by she (female id'd). My gf & I hear them lament where are the femmes who are into female id'd butches? Where are the femmes who can accept us as we are and not insist we follow a particular "rule book" simply because we are butch.

My gf included here and other butches have been scarred because femmes said they could not cry, have feelings or act in the least bit what they termed "girly." My gf was shocked when she was allowed to be herself completely and not ridiculed or stereotyped simply because she is butch and did or said something ex gfs had said was not butch enough or was girly. For pity's sake, we are all human but to hold such rigid ideas about what is acceptable is just too much. Who are the butch police and can we get them fired?

[Glenn]

Originally Posted by Breezy

For pity's sake, we are all human but to hold such rigid ideas about what is acceptable is just too much. Who are the butch police and can we get them fired?

^^^^^^^^
I'll co-sign this.

[CherylNYC]

Originally Posted by Breezy

Where are the femmes who can accept us as we are and not insist we follow a particular "rule book" simply because we are butch...

...For pity's sake, we are all human but to hold such rigid ideas about what is acceptable is just too much. Who are the butch police and can we get them fired?

When I finally ascend my rightful throne as Queen Of The World, PINK slips will be sent to all the self appointed butch police at dawn, before breakfast.

[morningstar55]

Originally Posted by OS Butch

I knew there was a reason I wasn't your type Hehehehe!

... uh really now..... lol

[Beloved]

Can someone define "old school" butch for me? I think it may mean different things to different people. If you ID that way or are partnered with someon who ID's that way tell me why.

[Rope]

Plenty of butches here in the Oakland and San Francisco area.

Old School butch I believe refers to a time when butches "had to" wear ties or masculine clothing and identify as masculine. Today, butches come in all variations on a theme-thus faggy butches, sporty butches, butches into butches, butches into femmes, queer identified butches, butches that prefer he or hy and butches that prefer she, some that feel predominantly masculine or female, some that id more trans or trans, and everything else anyone can come up with as a identifier for themself, in short, more fluid.

I've also heard that old school butch referred to a time when butches had manners, i.e., opened the car door for a femme etc. But as everyone knows <g> good manners never go out of style and are not from an 'old' or bygone era.

Rope--

[NorCalStud]

Imo. They are not a dying breed; they are a tired breed. I lived with a woman years ago who made osof a religion. She wanted me on point on all that and I will be there if the same is returned. If that lil shit didnt try and top from the bottom and skate thru all her osof committments. Part of my job became reminding her to nurture me...childhood neglect for her...again in My opinion you need similiar value systems...good division of labor skills...money...and an ability to roll your sleeves up cause it takes more than love. I think it works beautifully for dating and rarely for living together especially the older we get..just sayin.

[Galahad]

Library Girl, there are plenty of young butches in the IE, just down below from you. I see 1 almost everytime I go out in my small town.

[Quintease]

Originally Posted by Beloved

Can someone define "old school" butch for me? I think it may mean different things to different people. If you ID that way or are partnered with someon who ID's that way tell me why.

Hm, I'd be curious to know as well. The only 'old school butch' I ever dated assaulted me when I didn't do as I was told. I'm sure that's not what anyone means, but it's sure put me off the phrase.

[Toughy]

I've always associated 'old school' with manners, courtesy, politeness and the tie and suit wearing kind of butch.....which would describe me.

I decidedly do not ever want 'old fashioned' attached to me. I associate 'old fashioned' with that fairy tale of the 50's where the man (butch) went to work and the woman (femme) stayed home and cooked, cleaned and was all made-up and pretty with supper on the table when the man came home.

I'm with Rope about old school. Manners should never be out of style and we have plenty of butches of all stripes in the Bay Area. You will see a bunch of us at our Spring Fling social on May 12. Femmes will be there also.

Maybe the problem is some femmes are looking for a very particular kind of butch and are missing all the rest of us that are right in front of your eyes.....shrug.....

[Toughy]

and one more thing.............

I have never had a femme tell me I was not butch enough. The reverse is true for me. I have had more than one femme tell me I needed to tone it down a bit.....I was too butch for them, especially to take home to the parental units. They were embarrassed when I got called Sir also.

[aishah]

i can't imagine meeting a butch who is 'too butch' for me. i'm sad that so much butch policing goes on in our communities. i've been on the end of some pretty painful femme policing, and that's not exactly the same but i know it was hurtful for me. i love all flavors of butch and i am grateful for the different ways y'all express yourselves. it would be a sad world if all the butches and femmes were exactly the same way!

[morningstar55]

Originally Posted by Toughy

and one more thing.............

I have never had a femme tell me I was not butch enough. The reverse is true for me. I have had more than one femme tell me I needed to tone it down a bit.....I was too butch for them, especially to take home to the parental units. They were embarrassed when I got called Sir also.

to tone it down???
i never would ask my butch to tone it down ... and i was never ever embarassed when they called hym sir or refer'd to hym as my husband. i just went with it like any normal person would when there out together family or not.
ha i felt kinda wierd she someone would call us ladies... but that didnt happen to often.. hehe

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by Toughy

I've always associated 'old school' with manners, courtesy, politeness and the tie and suit wearing kind of butch.....which would describe me.

I decidedly do not ever want 'old fashioned' attached to me. I associate 'old fashioned' with that fairy tale of the 50's where the man (butch) went to work and the woman (femme) stayed home and cooked, cleaned and was all made-up and pretty with supper on the table when the man came home.

I'm with Rope about old school. Manners should never be out of style and we have plenty of butches of all stripes in the Bay Area. You will see a bunch of us at our Spring Fling social on May 12. Femmes will be there also.

Maybe the problem is some femmes are looking for a very particular kind of butch and are missing all the rest of us that are right in front of your eyes.....shrug.....

Yup, quite a distinction between "old school" and "old fashioned" and manners matter- for both butches & femmes... people in general, actually.

Funny, "old school" really has no time cohort at all. I have often heard a butch much younger than myself say "I'm old school."