Law and Order: SVU with Special Guest Kathy Griffin as lesbian

[SassyLeo]

Originally Posted by Dylan

Your points are valid

Soooo, Sean Penn donated a suit he didn't even pay for? Wow! That must have been tough for him to part with, eh? While a majority of the money he made (and academy award that should have gone into the queer community) gets spent in straightdom. While, had a queer actor had this role, it would have A) made queer actors more visible, B) would have mainstreamed queerdom even a little more, C) would have put more queer money into the queer economy, D) would have opened more doors between queers and straightdom.

Why is it no one can name a queer actor who's won an academy award? Why is it that when an actor comes out as queer, he/she no longer really has a career? Do you think if, say, George Clooney came out, his career would pretty much be over? Why is it they've glammed up and feminized Queen Latifah (who's a big ol' butch in real time)? Do you think Queen Latifah would be making money the way she is if she were to come out? What happened to Wanda Sykes career after she came out? She certainly doesn't have her own sitcom anymore. Ellen's show went pretty much down the tubes after she came out. Do you think 'Milk' would have made the same amount of money without a completely straight cast? How many straight people benefitted and made gads of money in Milk? How many queers? How many queers suffered to make the story of Milk? How many queers died to make that story? Now, how many straight people made gads of money off of that suffering while not one queer played a queer, because 'real' queers aren't palatable or profitable enough for mainstream America? How about that movie NJFemmie posted a pic from? How many trans folks and gender variant people suffer everyday, so straight/cis actors can make a killing off of making gender variance 'humorous' and palatable for mainstream America? And how about RuPaul? Wouldn't that have been a prime opportunity to cast a gender variant person? Oh, but wait, it wouldn't have been a) funny or b) profitable. Oh, and how about The Birdcage and Robin Williams and that other guy who's name I can't remember. Oh, or Brokeback Mountain.

Here's the thing, had queer played themselves, more of that millions of dollars paid to those actors would be back INSIDE the queer community, making the queer community stronger. Generally speaking, do you think queers would have given more money to fighting Prop 8 or do you think queers would have given token donations to a school? Do you think queer academy award winners would be speaking out against Prop 8 and using whatever big name leverage they have against Prop 8 or giving a suit to a non-profit? When queers make money, the queer community (generally) makes money...money that is used to fight hate crimes bills, Mormons, support queers with jobs, etc. When that money is given to straights, more of that money stays in the straight community...at the expense of queers. AND stereotypes are perpetuated.

And again, can you explain to me how straights playing queers is different from blackface and/or men playing women (as in Shakespeare days when women weren't allowed to act), etc from a dynamic of power/oppression? I mean, even now, women only make up 29% of speaking roles in major movies, and only 3 of 100 films are directed by women. Is that sexism or just 'directing'. I have a really hard time believing ANYONE here would be in agreement with men playing all the roles of women in major movies and would just call it 'acting'.


Dylan

So, here's the thing. I pretty much agree with you on all of this. I am not denying that society/media/entertainment is still homophobic. I would love to see more Queer actors and especially in big roles. And I am sure they are out there. Ones who are fucking amazing! Yes, it absolutely sucks that we don't have as much visibility.

Before I was alive, my mom lived and worked in Hollywood. One of her oldest friends is a gay man who worked in the industry as well. He was actually in Rebel Without A Cause (woohoo 15 minutes of fame! not really, he actually did OK for himself). He totally could not be OUT. Of course it was the 50's and that would have killed any career he imagined. He came out much later in life.

Ellen may have suffered some initially, but she is certainly not suffering now. In fact, quite the opposite. Jodie Foster has had a strange go of it the last few years. Wanda Sykes...doesn't she have a show on Fox? The Wanda Sykes Show? I thought Queen Latifah was OUT? I read somewhere that she and her partner were talking marriage. I could be wrong about that...

What I don't want to do is lose sight of the progress that has been made. I think it is important to continue to acknowledge it, make note of change, even if it is small.

[Diva]

So.....I watched the clip......and skimmed through the rest of this stuff.....

And all I could think was.....did no one ELSE take issue with the DELIVERY of said kiss beSTOWED on the lush, lovely, supple and fully delicious lips of one Ms. M. HardlyGay?

I mean, come ON. I wouldn't be on that Drive~by(thru) Menu either!

Carry on.

[Cyclopea]

Originally Posted by Diva

So.....I watched the clip......and skimmed through the rest of this stuff.....

And all I could think was.....did no one ELSE take issue with the DELIVERY of said kiss beSTOWED on the lush, lovely, supple and fully delicious lips of one Ms. M. HardlyGay?

I mean, come ON. I wouldn't be on that Drive~by(thru) Menu either!

Carry on.

Hahahaha! It was more of a lunge than a kiss. Not hot!
"Hardlygay"- LMAO.

[Apocalipstic]

Originally Posted by Diva

So.....I watched the clip......and skimmed through the rest of this stuff.....

And all I could think was.....did no one ELSE take issue with the DELIVERY of said kiss beSTOWED on the lush, lovely, supple and fully delicious lips of one Ms. M. HardlyGay?

I mean, come ON. I wouldn't be on that Drive~by(thru) Menu either!

Carry on.

I agree, the kiss sucked!

[Write14u]

Originally Posted by apocalipstic

I agree, the kiss sucked!

See...they needed ME to give her a good kiss. WTF were they thinking? I mean, come on! *grin*

ETA: Actually, as fun as that would be, I'd still jump in the "Kiss Melina Kanakaredes" line first (Stella, NY:CSI)
Mmmmmmmmm
*grin*