Third or Other Gender Butch

[Darth Denkay]

Hey all,

So glad to see this thread started. It's 12:30 in the morning so I gotta get some sleep but will definitely be back. Really looking forward to what we can do here. Thanks Met!

[DapperButch]

Originally Posted by WicketWWarrick

Hey all,

So glad to see this thread started. It's 12:30 in the morning so I gotta get some sleep but will definitely be back. Really looking forward to what we can do here. Thanks Met!

Hey, Kayden!

Glad you will be joining the third/other gendered thread!

It is nice that a thread was started for this group of butches and/or for discussion around this type of butch!

What a brilliant thread.

I identify with much that has already said by folks who can say it far more eloquently than I.

My mum used to tell me that from the age of 6yrs I was espousing that I wasn't a boy or a girl but something else entirely. In latter years upon discovering the bf community and a whole load of 'new labels' I appropriated the term 'genderqueer' for myself but it still doesn't sit quite right somehow.

[daisyfm]

Good thread. I understand what is talked about here.
I would also like to say something that gets me in trouble a lot, but I truly think is important to mention. I think femme is a gender as well..maybe a fourth gender or a third alongside butch, I don't know.
I don't feel I am just a woman, or just a lesbian, I am a femme and this gender of mine does say a lot about me. I hope others feel the same way.

[Bit]

Originally Posted by Metropolis

ETA: Because I think it's significant.. what probably appeared to some over the years as my questioning male versus masculine is probably better represented as fighting a battle within myself with my pieces of my own identity. If that makes any sense to anyone but me.

It makes sense to me. Thank you for mentioning it.

Originally Posted by honeybarbara

however, to the mainstream, out there, my femininity and my woman's body are "aligned" so it mostly doesn't make sense to a lot of people. Meh. Fine, I'm the only one that really needs to get it.

But I'm not butch so this doesn't quite fit in here. But thought I'd just toss something of my own in anyway.

for me, being a woman doesn't work opposite to my other gender. Much like to bicycles that ride next to each other aren't going to get in each others way or risk a crash - but still each bicycle can be a completely different ride.

You know, some parts of your experience don't resonate with me--for instance, the part about experiencing feminine as something "other" which is not related to gender, or your body speaking a different language than you do--but then some parts of it resonate SO strongly!! And I just absolutely love your last paragraph. Like parallel bicycles, that's a wonderful metaphor.

Other people do think I'm aligned, gender and body, and it makes my gender invisible to them. My gender is Femme. It is not the same gender as Woman, which is what people assume. Over the years I've gotten so much resistance and so much confusion that I've just given up and for the sake of having coherent conversations, I've starting referring to myself as a woman again... but my gender is Femme.

[AtLast]

I know several butches that identify Butch as their gender. So, why not Femme as gender? And why can't this also be 3rd-Gendered, or part of the other gender modalities that are being brought out??

Thinking that Dylan's earlier post about TG women/femmes resonates here, especially when someone feels they might get flack for it.