What attracts you to Ftms ......

[Chancie]

What bothers me is not the desire to dance a waltz with predetermined steps and roles, if that's the dance you most enjoy.

It's the very weird assumption from a bunch of queers that it reflects the good old days.

Who were they good for, anyway?

I know that there are queers who aspire to the financial freedom to a very particular lifestyle choice but

The good old days?

Yes, some young men were more polite to older women than we might see on public transportation but

You would be safe to assume that a young white man sat with his legs spread way out while older Black women stood.

Surely those of you who wish for a marriage that mirrors The Cleavers can find a more descriptive way of describing it than the tired old chestnut, Oh, how I miss the good old days, or I am an old fashioned man or femme or butch.

ETA PS My post is not a response to Julie's post.

[femmsational]

Originally Posted by Chancie

What bothers me is not the desire to dance a waltz with predetermined steps and roles, if that's the dance you most enjoy.

It's the very weird assumption from a bunch of queers that it reflects the good old days.

Who were they good for, anyway?

I know that there are queers who aspire to the financial freedom to a very particular lifestyle choice but

The good old days?

Yes, some young men were more polite to older women than we might see on public transportation but

You would be safe to assume that a young white man sat with his legs spread way out while older Black women stood.

Surely those of you who wish for a marriage that mirrors The Cleavers can find a more descriptive way of describing it than the tired old chestnut, Oh, how I miss the good old days, or I am an old fashioned man or femme or butch.

ETA PS My post is not a response to Julie's post.

LOL!! It would have been ok if it was in response to my post. :-)

Basically, I'm asking the same thing you are. How can we talk about this 'june cleaver' way of living, without going back in history.

I know I call it the good old days, but that's cause I don't know any other concise way to describe what works for me. And normally only with people who are heterosexual. There has GOT to be a way that won't twist everybodys nose outta whack. You know??


julie

[The_Lady_Snow]

Julie, the problem isn't stating one's (general) preferences, the issues that arise each and every time is when someone talks about their preferences and then in the same sentence is dismissive to others who aren't.


I'm a queer Leather Femme I can discuss my many likes, wants, desires, needs without having to talk about others that aren't or even mention them.

[femmsational]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Julie, the problem isn't stating one's (general) preferences, the issues that arise each and every time is when someone talks about their preferences and then in the same sentence is dismissive to others who aren't.


I'm a queer Leather Femme I can discuss my many likes, wants, desires, needs without having to talk about others that aren't or even mention them.

That's exactly what I said in my first post.

I say it for both sides of this coin.

And not just this issue. You, general you, should be able to express an opinion without shitting all over someone elses choices/needs/wants/must haves. It SHOULD be a very simple thing. Or at least I think it should be.


j

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by femmsational

That's exactly what I said in my first post.

I say it for both sides of this coin.

And not just this issue. You, general you, should be able to express an opinion without shitting all over someone elses choices/needs/wants/must haves. It SHOULD be a very simple thing. Or at least I think it should be.


j

It is pretty simple, at least you would think it was. Unfortunately people don't stick to their me place and diss those that aren't like them.

True story read back

[GraffitiBoi]

So... ummm... back to what attracts you to FTMs... LOL

[BullDog]

You know what Julie the white washing of history bothers me greatly and I will speak up about it.

People can have whatever types of relationships they want, but when they start talking about certain people having superior manners and how people treated each other so much better back then I do have something to say.

Intolerance of views works both ways.

[femmsational]

Originally Posted by BullDog

You know what Julie the white washing of history bothers me greatly and I will speak up about it.

People can have whatever types of relationships they want, but when they start talking about certain people having superior manners and how people treated each other so much better back then I do have something to say.

Intolerance of views works both ways.

Ok.


must have 10 characters dammit

[femmsational]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

It is pretty simple, at least you would think it was. Unfortunately people don't stick to their me place and diss those that aren't like them.

True story read back

I get that, for real I do.

That's why I said that when the, very clear line is crossed it should and must be addressed. I mean that truely.

I just would like to know words to use that will not offend others when talking about what works for us. You know me and the three year old beast

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by femmsational

I get that, for real I do.

That's why I said that when the, very clear line is crossed it should and must be addressed. I mean that truely.

I just would like to know words to use that will not offend others when talking about what works for us. You know me and the three year old beast

I'm going to guess if you're talking about what attracts you to Brutus then you're going to speak from your desires, it's not going to be a cookie cutter descriptor of what rocks your boat. I don't assume you guys (you and the Brutal One) are cookie cutter considering how original Aj is.

[JAGG]

Ya know know they had some pretty cool cars in the 1950's. And didn't cheeseburgers look so much better back then? French fries did too come to think of it. Just sayin

[girl_dee]

just a quick thought.

i choose to live a lifestyle that may be considered similar to the household set up of the 50's. The difference is i am not a barefoot and pregnant, suppressed, brainwashed woman who is under the thumb and complete control of a man. It saddens me to think anyone would want this type of woman. i'm someone who embraces taking care of the home including the chores and dinner, allowed to have my own life and my own work. My feelings and thoughts, wants, needs, woes are all important. i work two days a week outside the home. My work here is appreciated and i am well taken care of. Our home is a source of pride for me, as it was for many women of the 50's. Having a nice dinner for everyone at the end of the day brings me joy. i've never been happier in my life and i hope we live this way forever. i can't call it a kink/fetish. It's just how we live. i love being a housewife, apron and all!