It's Time to Boycott Arizona

[apretty]

Originally Posted by Toughy

This kind of racist bullshit masks the real problem. There is more violence around our southern border, more in CA and AZ than NM. Violence caused by drug dealers and human dealers.

i wonder if there is more violence at the border... you hear that a lot, but i wonder, 'more violence' in comparison to who/where? i think it's another way to make *some* white people more fearful, more phobic...

*not denying that there's drugs and human trafficking along *both* sides of the USa/Mexico border (as well as within both of these countries).

[friskyfemme]

Originally Posted by apretty

i wonder if there is more violence at the border... you hear that a lot, but i wonder, 'more violence' in comparison to who/where? i think it's another way to make *some* white people more fearful, more phobic...

*not denying that there's drugs and human trafficking along *both* sides of the USa/Mexico border (as well as within both of these countries).

I have a gf who lives in Phoenix but has family in Nogales(Arizona/Mexico) border. The violence is so bad there that her parents will not visit their relatves in Mexico. The murders, kidnappings, muggings in Mexico are blamed on the 'drug Lords'. The Mexican government appears 'helpless' to arrest and prosecute these 'terrorists'. People are fleeing from there (wouldn't you?). Human trafficers exploit people who fear for their lives and their families lives, to get them out of this terror. Each person pays between $5000 - $10,000 to be smuggled across our borders in vans, pickup trucks, 18=wheelers inside crates and bags. Most of these people are taken to 'drop houses' (sometimes as many of 30 people living there). These people immediately try to get work (general labor -cash). They are required to play approx. $1000 per mth a person to their landlord.
The reason these immigrants coming to the United States is to get established here, send money to their families in Mexico and to get their families across the order legally.

These folks are not 'criminals'. They are REFUGEES! They are fleeing for their lives. If the federal government 'Homeland Security' wants to REALLY protect our southern borders than provide military support to Mexico. Does the US government really think that people
want to leave their homeland? If we help the people of Mexico defeat their 'terrorists' they will want to stay in their homes. Mexico can begin to prosper again.

The cost of this SB1070 to the citizens of will be devasting to our already bleak economy.

I propose this:

The citizens of the United States petition their State Representatives and Senators to send troops to Mexico, to organize a refugee program that willl repay the cost to the federal fund to get the people here and settled during the intervention. Once the 'Mexican terrorists' are defeated the familes will return to their homeland.

The US citizens of the border states should not have to absorb the costs of protecting our country. I definitely OPPOSE the SB1070 bill. Movement is already underway in Arizona to repeal the bill. I do understand the fear of the US families on the border. As you should know by now the government controls it's Citizens by instilling fear. This is a NATIONAL SECURITY issue! The threat is not the people flowing across the borders.

IT IS THE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER THAT ARE EXPLOITING THEM.

I purpose a UNITED NATIONS investment in an INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL database that tracks 'TRUE CRIMINALS' and information sharing of individuals.

BOYCOTTING AZ is noit going to resolve the ISSUE. If FACT it will only create another 'knee jerk' reaction to a NATIONAL problem. GET INVOLVED in a Productive Solution!

[apretty]

friskyfemme:

have you read the entire thread?

i'm attending 2 rallies today (gay and straight) for the people against SB 1070.

i think boycotting arizona is just one way that people can get involved.

(prior to living here, i lived 29 years in san diego, ca (2nd generation) --i do have some experience with living in border towns. phoenix isn't even NEAR a border and they blame mexicans for every kind of crime conceivable.)

[friskyfemme]

pretty,

My response was not directed at you. I was only addressing your question of increased violence. There is increased violence in Mexico and in the US border cities. Those responsible for that violence are NOT the individuals fleeing here.
The 'racial profiling' is very much a ISSUE here in Phoenix Metro Area. Our Sheriff Arpaio has been doing this for years. After a federal investigation of racial profiling it continues.

I don't believe BOYCOTTING is the going to be helpful. The 'snowbirds' are leaving within the month and by the time they come back in the winter we will have elected another governor and repealed this SB 1070.

The immigrants that do 'sneak' across the border work to maintain a very low profile. They work for cash 'pennies on the dollar'.

Does the migration cause a strain on border states? Yes it does, but not necessarily for the reasons our government sites. The fact that this State-AZ is controlled by the Republican minority is appalling.

I am only pointing out instead of putting money an effort to round up and incarerate our Mexican neighbors, we need to 'help' them within their own country.

I agree with you about REPEAL of SB 1070. I don't think that most Arizonians and maybe the rest of the country understand the 'REAL' issue of white conservatives that are in CONTROL of the Arizona BIG BUSINESS-including insurance, farming, ranching, and tourism pushing for a Dictatorship through our 'puppet' Governor.

[apretty]

so, i'll see you at the rally?

i have a really big jan brewer -fascist sign that will be impossible to miss.

-Christine

Originally Posted by friskyfemme

pretty,

My response was not directed at you. I was only addressing your question of increased violence. There is increased violence in Mexico and in the US border cities. Those responsible for that violence are NOT the individuals fleeing here.
The 'racial profiling' is very much a ISSUE here in Phoenix Metro Area. Our Sheriff Arpaio has been doing this for years. After a federal investigation of racial profiling it continues.

I don't believe BOYCOTTING is the going to be helpful. The 'snowbirds' are leaving within the month and by the time they come back in the winter we will have elected another governor and repealed this SB 1070.

The immigrants that do 'sneak' across the border work to maintain a very low profile. They work for cash 'pennies on the dollar'.

Does the migration cause a strain on border states? Yes it does, but not necessarily for the reasons our government sites. The fact that this State-AZ is controlled by the Republican minority is appalling.

I am only pointing out instead of putting money an effort to round up and incarerate our Mexican neighbors, we need to 'help' them within their own country.

I agree with you about REPEAL of SB 1070. I don't think that most Arizonians and maybe the rest of the country understand the 'REAL' issue of white conservatives that are in CONTROL of the Arizona BIG BUSINESS-including insurance, farming, ranching, and tourism pushing for a Dictatorship through our 'puppet' Governor.

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by friskyfemme

I have a gf who lives in Phoenix but has family in Nogales(Arizona/Mexico) border. The violence is so bad there that her parents will not visit their relatves in Mexico. The murders, kidnappings, muggings in Mexico are blamed on the 'drug Lords'. The Mexican government appears 'helpless' to arrest and prosecute these 'terrorists'. People are fleeing from there (wouldn't you?). Human trafficers exploit people who fear for their lives and their families lives, to get them out of this terror. Each person pays between $5000 - $10,000 to be smuggled across our borders in vans, pickup trucks, 18=wheelers inside crates and bags. Most of these people are taken to 'drop houses' (sometimes as many of 30 people living there). These people immediately try to get work (general labor -cash). They are required to play approx. $1000 per mth a person to their landlord.
The reason these immigrants coming to the United States is to get established here, send money to their families in Mexico and to get their families across the order legally.

These folks are not 'criminals'. They are REFUGEES! They are fleeing for their lives. If the federal government 'Homeland Security' wants to REALLY protect our southern borders than provide military support to Mexico. Does the US government really think that people
want to leave their homeland? If we help the people of Mexico defeat their 'terrorists' they will want to stay in their homes. Mexico can begin to prosper again.

The cost of this SB1070 to the citizens of will be devasting to our already bleak economy.

I propose this:

The citizens of the United States petition their State Representatives and Senators to send troops to Mexico, to organize a refugee program that willl repay the cost to the federal fund to get the people here and settled during the intervention. Once the 'Mexican terrorists' are defeated the familes will return to their homeland.

The US citizens of the border states should not have to absorb the costs of protecting our country. I definitely OPPOSE the SB1070 bill. Movement is already underway in Arizona to repeal the bill. I do understand the fear of the US families on the border. As you should know by now the government controls it's Citizens by instilling fear. This is a NATIONAL SECURITY issue! The threat is not the people flowing across the borders.

IT IS THE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER THAT ARE EXPLOITING THEM.

I purpose a UNITED NATIONS investment in an INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL database that tracks 'TRUE CRIMINALS' and information sharing of individuals.

BOYCOTTING AZ is noit going to resolve the ISSUE. If FACT it will only create another 'knee jerk' reaction to a NATIONAL problem. GET INVOLVED in a Productive Solution!

What you are proposing here is the invasion of Mexico by US troops or by UN troops? Do you think Mexico is willing to abdicate to either party? So we go to war with whom? War isn't the answer, never has been. If the people of the US were to stop paying for drugs that so readily flow over the boarder, then there would be no need for drug lords, and the people of Mexico could have economic stability in their own country.

The highlighted part of your post is what I am concerned with.

[Corkey]

I agree that immigration reform needs to happen, this just isn't the way to go about it.

[Rook]

True, if the U.S. would stop smuggling Drugs, quite a few Countries would have a decent Drop in their Crimes..
No Profit from Drugs = No Cartels...
Not just Mexico though, but also Columbia, Afghanistan, Panama, etc etc...
Although, other "rich" countries, like Netherlands, England, Germany etc etc, also "order" drugs...
And, considering just how easy it is to Buy Guns in the U.S. (and smuggle off the Border), we might also wanna consider figuring that out as well.

Then there's the Pharmaceutical issue, from somewhere the Legal purveyors of Opium have to get their Source, or else we wouldn't have Morphine, Vicodin, Oxycodone etc..
Oh, right, and lets not forget another Profitable Crime in Smuggling...
Exotic Animals {Someone once tried to smuggle a few "big cats" across U.S./Mexican Border}
And Human trafficking...
There's always something to smuggle, and profit from