Ebola, news and discussion

MsTinkerbelly · 10-17-2014, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelt

Okay, a couple of things, the nurse who got on the plane checked with the CDC first and was given a green light. Poor judgement on the part of the CDC, not the nurse who sought counsel. The healthcare worker who got on a cruise ship did so before self monitoring went into effect, had no patient contact, and started self monitoring voluntarily as soon as the guidelines were known.

It’s already been established that bugs get around in hospitals and new precautions are going into place as we speak that may be of future benefit in all infectious situations.

Yes, Ebola is a scary virus and I for one am glad I am in the US and not West Africa. I know that my voice as an individual is not likely to be heard but I can also see lots of action on the part of congress who for better or worse are our elected representatives.

I am also glad that the CDC is scrambling to keep up, it would be nice if everything had been perfect upfront. The alternative would have them standing firm on ineffective policies. I say yay for flexibility and updating protocols on the fly to stay on top of changes as they arise.

I was only trying to show that in some places with resources it is possible to stop the spread after it has begun and that it is being done. Certainly not
trying to minimize anything.

If the point of this thread/conversation is to encourage panic by highlighting media hype, then so be it, it’s your thread go for it.

Wow, seriously?

Your opinion is welcome here, or anywhere you choose to be. BUT, so is mine. Open dialog/other opinions/debate is a great way to get to know information and other view points.

If you want everyone to agree with you, sorry, not my thing. If you want to fuss and argue your point, here i am.

Peace

TruTexan · 10-17-2014, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MsTinkerbelly

Wow, seriously?

Your opinion is welcome here, or anywhere you choose to be. BUT, so is mine. Open dialog/other opinions/debate is a great way to get to know information and other view points.

If you want everyone to agree with you, sorry, not my thing. If you want to fuss and argue your point, here i am.

Peace

that's what I was thinking...... Wow Seriously?
Who said anything to Kelt ? I haven't seen anything in this thread about anything Kelt has been putting in here. I've read the things Kelt has put up for links and I've welcomed input, even thanked everyone for those things. I don't know what made Kelt feel this way,,,,,,geeze

As for me putting in Media relays, I'm putting those in from Dallas area, and just talking about what they are saying.

And for one thing, that damn hospital rep keeps saying if Duncan had walked in holding a damn sign saying that he had Ebola, they were prepared, and and they are still prepared........I CALL THAT BULLSHIT, look at what happened there already. Is this dude serious? He's a knuckle head.

MsTinkerbelly · 10-17-2014, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TruTexan

that's what I was thinking...... Wow Seriously?
Who said anything to Kelt ? I haven't seen anything in this thread about anything Kelt has been putting in here. I've read the things Kelt has put up for links and I've welcomed input, even thanked everyone for those things. I don't know what made Kelt feel this way,,,,,,geeze

As for me putting in Media relays, I'm putting those in from Dallas area, and just talking about what they are saying.

And for one thing, that damn hospital rep keeps saying if Duncan had walked in holding a damn sign saying that he had Ebola, they were prepared, and and they are still prepared........I CALL THAT BULLSHIT, look at what happened there already. Is this dude serious? He's a knuckle head.

Please no name calling.

I used Kelts post to respond to his thoughts, so he was right to think i was responding in part to what he said...i'm on an ipad and can't snip the part i want to respond to, so maybe he felt i was jumping on him.

I want discussion here, but because we can't see people or their tone of voice, it is easy to assume anger or nastiness. I just want to voice my fears, read what's written, listen to other opinions and sort through all of it to find reassurance and peace in my heart.

TruTexan · 10-17-2014, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MsTinkerbelly

Please no name calling.

I used Kelts post to respond to his thoughts, so he was right to think i was responding in part to what he said...i'm on an ipad and can't snip the part i want to respond to, so maybe he felt i was jumping on him.

I want discussion here, but because we can't see people or their tone of voice, it is easy to assume anger or nastiness. I just want to voice my fears, read what's written, listen to other opinions and sort through all of it to find reassurance and peace in my heart.

I wasn't name calling anyone, I just thought the same thing as you to some degree and agreed. Everyone has an opinion and is more than welcome to post it, no matter if I agree with it or not, and I just don't think sitting back and letting someone else say something about media hype is right. I post what I find from live news from Dallas so everyone reading this thread knows what's being told to us HERE WHERE I LIVE Near DALLAS. I'm not creating panic or hype, I'm just relaying my thoughts and what's being told to US that live here near Dallas or in Dallas from Dallas News.

I too voice my fears, call bullshit out from the news, and read and listen to others opinions on this thread and try to find reassurance in the healthcare system here as well as the CDC and WHO(world health organization). This way I can sleep at night and not worry about some severe epidemic happening near me.

Kelt · 10-17-2014, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TruTexan

that's what I was thinking...... Wow Seriously?
Who said anything to Kelt ? I haven't seen anything in this thread about anything Kelt has been putting in here. I've read the things Kelt has put up for links and I've welcomed input, even thanked everyone for those things. I don't know what made Kelt feel this way,,,,,,geeze

There must be confusion here.

I posted a link to an article about the control of ebola in Nigeria. MsTinkerbelly replied with four points, one I fact checked, two I agreed with, and the last I disagreed with.

Why are you upset?

TruTexan · 10-17-2014, 05:41 PM

I"m not, Kelt, I just thought what you said about promoting media hype was not what is going on in this thread. That's it.

cricket26 · 10-17-2014, 07:15 PM

well, i feel a huge weight lifted now that the 2 nurses are being well taken care of in facilities that are equipped and have staff that are highly trained...alot of fears have been alleviated...even so we still have fears of being accidentally exposed by passengers on frontier flight 1143 and passengers on a carnival cruise to mexico boarded by a lab tech from presby...the cruise ship was not allowed to dock in mexico and is on its way back to galveston....

BrutalDaddy · 10-17-2014, 05:06 PM

This is strictly my own opinion so I'm not basing this off any factual stuff found online or by listening to news media, the government or even CDC.

I can't listen to them right now. Why? Because I do not trust them. Why again? Because instead of letting people know the best things to do to protect themselves from the get go, all they said was, "Oh don't worry. There's no way Ebola will ever reach our shores."

Bullshit.

When it did reach our shores then it turned to, "Oh don't worry. The hospital is equipped to deal with this and are treating this seriously." Instead we find out that not only were the health care workers not properly equipped but obviously not drilled over and over and over and over on how to properly take off possibly infected clothing after dealing with the patient. On top of that, the ball got dropped by allowing "self monitoring" then giving the okay for one nurse who was possibly beginning to show signs to travel on a plane.

Bullshit number two.

Again, this is strictly my own opinion and my opinion is that until the CDC, the government and whoever else has actual, frontline knowledge of Ebola begin telling people in plain, straightforward English on the basic, fundamental things to do to protect themselves, I will continue to take most of what they say as bullshit.

I totally get and understand why they do not wish to "inspire panic and hysteria". I get it. It can lead to more damage and harm being done to those who aren't even sick with Ebola. But guess what? That can happen now, when people who are getting scared DON'T have the correct knowledge and education on this disease.

And while I'm on the topic, the government sure as fuck didn't help me to feel any safer or more confident that they'll start handling the ball instead of dropping it by naming someone who has NO fucking knowledge or skill in the field of medicine to head up and coordinate "the U.S. response to Ebola". Yes, he's got "great management experience both inside the government as well as the private sector" but what happens if, god forbid, this shit does blow up?

Bullshit number three, for me.

I sincerely hope with all of my heart and soul they prove my fears wrong. I really really really do.

Final point, education is key key KEY.

My Buck Twenty's Worth,
Brute.

Kelt · 10-17-2014, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MsTinkerbelly

Wow, seriously?

Your opinion is welcome here, or anywhere you choose to be. BUT, so is mine. Open dialog/other opinions/debate is a great way to get to know information and other view points.

If you want everyone to agree with you, sorry, not my thing. If you want to fuss and argue your point, here i am.

Peace

I did open with a fact check, but otherwise was engaging in open dialog. I just did ‘fuss and argue’ my point, done. I was clarifying my opinion.

No I don’t expect everyone to agree with me, I think it’s clear my thoughts on media hype are in the minority.

I'm not trying to minimize anything about ebola, as I stated above. I don't understand promoting panic, but that is just a difference of opinion which I expressed. I get that others feel differently.

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