only another butch would understand

[Beau]

Originally Posted by Ms Cyn

Heys beau...

So.. what of the butch who is a living breathing sterotype of what a sterotype of a butch is? You speak for yourself as a non burping femail id butch who has no concerns regarding your masculinity.. Can't a male ID burping, concerned about being demascunlized butch speak up as well?

No delineation was made as to butch IDs. Everyone can speak up everywhere. I did not say otherwise.

You get to talk for you.. He gets to talk for him...

Obviously. I spoke only for myself.

I have someone who I call my brother.. He is the stero type of a hard working blue collar masculine ID butch.. When he and his girl get into a fight, she does the *call him by his birth name* to hurt and make him feel bad about himself.. that who he is in his head, is not who he is in body or on paper... it matter to him.. it hurts him... It might not hurt you for someone to call you by your birth name.. But for someone you love and trust to knowingly go for your soft spot.. It's not a lovely thing..

I imagine that would hurt very much, yes. I'm sorry for anyone's personal pain.

The lovely thing about the world is.. People come in all kinds of flavor.. all different types... Not one way is the right way to be...

No, there is not one way to be, which is why a stereotype employed to describe all is a problem. Hence, that is my dislike for a characterization of all butches that doesn't fit me.

Male ID Butchs... they are not just some *stero type* They are living breathing people who have the same right as anyone else to complain, say what makes them smile, what makes them happy, and what makes them cry...

If you read my words, you'll see I didn't characterize any IDs as a stereotype, only the behavior specified.

If you are sad about the first thread being started by butches being more of the masculine/male ID flavor.. then start one where it's not.... Don't make people feel bad about them selfs because they are different than you...

Again, you misread my words. I was sad that stereotypical male markers were employed in an attempt to define what butch is for all, which is impossible and unfair. I still believe that to be true. I wasn't trying to make anyone feel badly about themselves, nor do I believe that's even within my power to do.

I have no desire to begin any thread that would seek to divide butches into categories, which actually speaks to my original point.

Huggs.. and much love to the Mrs...

respectfully,
Beau