Clothes do not Maketh the butch ....

Jomore · 05-14-2011, 07:52 AM

Clothes really matter to me. I'm an unrepentant Dandy.
Clothes help me to define myself and who I am in the world. Whether we like it or not, our clothing signals to others certain things about who we are.

Femmes I know would look pretty silly in the kind of clothing I prefer - because it just doesn't fit who they are.

Whether I'm wearing jeans, Tshirt and leather jacket, suit with button down shirt, or a mixture of tailored women's and men's clothing, it always looks just butch enough for me to feel comfortable with.
Clothing is our second skin - so I always want to feel comfortable in my skin.

Corkey · 05-14-2011, 08:18 AM

Clothes don't define who we are. They are but a expression of our outer shell. I am a human being, I wear cloths that I am comfortable in. Period.

The_Lady_Snow · 05-14-2011, 08:37 AM

I don't find anything "silly" about a femme who chooses to wear certain clothing?

Can you clarify what you meant?

DomnNC · 05-14-2011, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

I don't find anything "silly" about a femme who chooses to wear certain clothing?

Can you clarify what you meant?

I don't get that either Snow. My wife could wear a pair of jeans, t-shirt and leather jacket and rock the hella out of them and was still just as femme as she was when wearing a dress or business suit. That statement was kinda silly in and of itself I think.

Miss Scarlett · 05-14-2011, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jomore

Clothes really matter to me. I'm an unrepentant Dandy.
Clothes help me to define myself and who I am in the world. Whether we like it or not, our clothing signals to others certain things about who we are.

Femmes I know would look pretty silly in the kind of clothing I prefer - because it just doesn't fit who they are.

Whether I'm wearing jeans, Tshirt and leather jacket, suit with button down shirt, or a mixture of tailored women's and men's clothing, it always looks just butch enough for me to feel comfortable with.
Clothing is our second skin - so I always want to feel comfortable in my skin.

Jomore, i take exception to your post.

i get it that to you femmes would look "pretty silly" in the type of clothes you prefer. But this femme is an extremely feminine woman who can and does wear the very type of clothing you prefer and neither look nor feel silly. In fact, i've been told that the combination of jeans, t-shirt and leather jacket looks pretty darn good on me.

So, you're saying that to you all femmes should dress a certain way? And does this mean that because a don't dress in that certain way she cannot possibly be a femme as far as you are concerned? Are we not all allowed to feel comfortable in our respective skins free from the dictum of others?

Please do enlighten us...

Jomore · 05-14-2011, 09:29 PM

Ahhh Ms Scarlett!!! Thank you for your vigilance! But not I prefaced the remark with the words "femmes I KNOW" (emphasis added) not you, not all femmes, just a select group of high femmes of my personal accquaintance. I was actually trying to make that distinction, and not make sweeping generalizations, I'm sure you'd look fine in some of my clothes, wanna come over sand lay dressups wimme?

sorry babe, but nothing to get flakey about, OK? I'm just a dumb ol' Butch with poor Internet social skills, still learning, not very savvy.
Suitably chastened, I won't say anything more on the subject.
Sorry
Jo

Bit · 05-14-2011, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jomore

....I prefaced the remark with the words "femmes I KNOW" (emphasis added) not you, not all femmes, just a select group of high femmes of my personal accquaintance. I was actually trying to make that distinction, and not make sweeping generalizations....

I don't know if it helps any, but that's how I read your post--that you were speaking about a very specific group of femmes, people you know personally.

I know a lot of femmes who wouldn't be caught dead in men's clothes.

Martina · 05-14-2011, 11:49 PM

i am not what i wear.

05-15-2011, 05:16 AM

It has been brought to my attention that I appeared to be speaking for the whole of the UK bf community in what I've said in this thread and that the phrase "lezzer-land" is offensive. My apologies to those I offended with this.

Miss Scarlett · 05-15-2011, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jomore

Ahhh Ms Scarlett!!! Thank you for your vigilance! But not I prefaced the remark with the words "femmes I KNOW" (emphasis added) not you, not all femmes, just a select group of high femmes of my personal accquaintance. I was actually trying to make that distinction, and not make sweeping generalizations, I'm sure you'd look fine in some of my clothes, wanna come over sand lay dressups wimme?

sorry babe, but nothing to get flakey about, OK? I'm just a dumb ol' Butch with poor Internet social skills, still learning, not very savvy.
Suitably chastened, I won't say anything more on the subject.
Sorry
Jo

Jomore, i appreciate your explanation but not the patronizing and condescending manner with which is delivered.

In addition, your opprobrious use of the terms "babe" and "flakey" cannot be so easily dismissed through your claim of being "...just a dumb ol' Butch with poor Internet social skills, still learning, not very savvy."

You are welcome to send me a PM if you change your mind and wish to discuss this further.

chefhottie25 · 05-14-2011, 10:12 PM

i can relate to your point about the importance of clothing and how they define us in the world. it is a part of our skin. my clothing selections are very important to me...they help convey my image and my understanding of who i am. i also wanted to respond to your comment about femmes in "butch" clothing. i think some femmes can totally rock "butch" clothing. it brings femme style to idea of what is considered the butch look. it is classic gender bending and that is always positive. questioning and pushing perceived ideas about what is butch and what is femme. deconstructing those binary roles opens up our freedom of expression.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jomore

Clothes really matter to me. I'm an unrepentant Dandy.
Clothes help me to define myself and who I am in the world. Whether we like it or not, our clothing signals to others certain things about who we are.

Femmes I know would look pretty silly in the kind of clothing I prefer - because it just doesn't fit who they are.

Whether I'm wearing jeans, Tshirt and leather jacket, suit with button down shirt, or a mixture of tailored women's and men's clothing, it always looks just butch enough for me to feel comfortable with.
Clothing is our second skin - so I always want to feel comfortable in my skin.

Gayla · 05-14-2011, 10:49 PM

Umm. What's "butch" clothing?

05-14-2011, 07:52 AM	#1
Jomore Junior Member How Do You Identify?: Butch Preferred Pronoun?: He/hy Relationship Status: Ridiculous Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 9 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 6 Posts Rep Power: 0	Clothes really matter to me. I'm an unrepentant Dandy. Clothes help me to define myself and who I am in the world. Whether we like it or not, our clothing signals to others certain things about who we are. Femmes I know would look pretty silly in the kind of clothing I prefer - because it just doesn't fit who they are. Whether I'm wearing jeans, Tshirt and leather jacket, suit with button down shirt, or a mixture of tailored women's and men's clothing, it always looks just butch enough for me to feel comfortable with. Clothing is our second skin - so I always want to feel comfortable in my skin. __________________ Jo More ! Scholar/Poet/Lover/Warrior

05-14-2011, 08:18 AM	#2
Corkey Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Human Preferred Pronoun?: He Relationship Status: Very Married Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Where I want to be Posts: 8,155 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 47,491 Thanked 29,270 Times in 6,637 Posts Rep Power: 21474859	Clothes don't define who we are. They are but a expression of our outer shell. I am a human being, I wear cloths that I am comfortable in. Period. __________________ "Many proposals have been made to us to adopt your laws, your religion, your manners and your customs. We would be better pleased with beholding the good effects of these doctrines in your own practices, than with hearing you talk about them". ~Old Tassel, Chief of the Tsalagi (Cherokee)

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05-14-2011, 09:29 PM	#6
Jomore Junior Member How Do You Identify?: Butch Preferred Pronoun?: He/hy Relationship Status: Ridiculous Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 9 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 6 Posts Rep Power: 0	Ahhh Ms Scarlett!!! Thank you for your vigilance! But not I prefaced the remark with the words "femmes I KNOW" (emphasis added) not you, not all femmes, just a select group of high femmes of my personal accquaintance. I was actually trying to make that distinction, and not make sweeping generalizations, I'm sure you'd look fine in some of my clothes, wanna come over sand lay dressups wimme? sorry babe, but nothing to get flakey about, OK? I'm just a dumb ol' Butch with poor Internet social skills, still learning, not very savvy. Suitably chastened, I won't say anything more on the subject. Sorry Jo __________________ Jo More ! Scholar/Poet/Lover/Warrior

05-14-2011, 11:49 PM	#8
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05-15-2011, 05:16 AM	#9
Daktari Guest Tournaments Won: 1 Posts: n/a My Photo Gallery	It has been brought to my attention that I appeared to be speaking for the whole of the UK bf community in what I've said in this thread and that the phrase "lezzer-land" is offensive. My apologies to those I offended with this.

05-14-2011, 10:49 PM	#12
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