A straight girl enters the queer world...

Parker · 03-13-2012, 03:04 PM

Should have used the mulit-quote feature, so I edited the multiple posts into one. Sorry about that.

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Originally Posted by Julie

WOW Parker. I don't know you. But, this is just ugly. Why is someone a shit stirrer if they are expressing their feelings? Is it simply you do not agree with him? And if so, can't you just say that, without being ugly?

And why use the term "Good Girl?" Sounds a bit misogynistic to me? Why not just say - I am not going to sit down and be silent? Do only Good Girls keep their mouths shut - cause this Good Girl doesn't.

Julie

In this patriarchal world, yes, "good girls" are expected to keep their mouths shut - which is why I used the phrase, Julie; because it FELT misogynistic to be shamed and called out like that for words and behavior that simply werent there. I was hearing "sit down and shut up like a good little girl while the rest of us talk about this because your opinion doesnt matter."

And I am not going to apologize for calling out what I see as shit-stirring when I see it simply because you are now trying to shame me by calling me ugly. Using a sweeping generalization of "butches are demonizing transguys" was in my opinion, doing nothing but stirring shit because that wasnt what was happening.

I am not telling anyone here how to behave, I would sincerely appreciate the same in return.

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Julie

What is not okay, is getting ugly and calling people names. Not okay and that needs to be called out. We all have various opinions on every subject. And personally, I think this is a beautiful thing.

I know Bully real time, as I know Weatherboi and a bunch of the other posters here. Just because we disagree with one another, does not mean we are attacking and does not mean we cannot all come together after our disagreements and share a meal.

Julie

Actually, Julie, I never called anyone any names; you however have called me ugly more than once for calling out what I saw as shit-stirring.

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Originally Posted by weatherboi

Wow you get all this from me asking about blanket statements that butches were making about transguys in this thread?? What does the duplicity thread have anything to do with this?? I had an opinion over there and it makes me a shit stirrer and i have an opinion over here and it makes me a shit stirrer??? How so??? I never told anybody to sit down and be quiet or not have an opinion. Just because i voice a counter opinion to a member doesnt make me a shit stirrer. What bait are you talking about? i get you feel this is a correct assumption of your community. I get that you think transguys do less work here. I just don't agree with it. I voiced that. Period

You had more than "an opinion."

You accused butches of trying to "demonize transguys" and then tried to shame us with those accusations and some sweeping generalizations of your own.

The end.

ps - I didnt call you a shit stirrer, I said you were stirring shit. It might be splitting hairs, but I wanted to call out behavior or words you said, not call you names.

Julie · 03-13-2012, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Parker

Should have used the mulit-quote feature, so I edited the multiple posts into one. Sorry about that.

In this patriarchal world, yes, "good girls" are expected to keep their mouths shut - which is why I used the phrase, Julie; because it FELT misogynistic to be shamed and called out like that for words and behavior that simply werent there. I was hearing "sit down and shut up like a good little girl while the rest of us talk about this because your opinion doesnt matter."

And I am not going to apologize for calling out what I see as shit-stirring when I see it simply because you are now trying to shame me by calling me ugly. Using a sweeping generalization of "butches are demonizing transguys" was in my opinion, doing nothing but stirring shit because that wasnt what was happening.

I am not telling anyone here how to behave, I would sincerely appreciate the same in return.

Thanks.

Actually, Julie, I never called anyone any names; you however have called me ugly more than once for calling out what I saw as shit-stirring.

You had more than "an opinion."

You accused butches of trying to "demonize transguys" and then tried to shame us with those accusations and some sweeping generalizations of your own.

The end.

ps - I didnt call you a shit stirrer, I said you were stirring shit. It might be splitting hairs, but I wanted to call out behavior or words you said, not call you names.

Parker -- I never called you UGLY. Believe me, you would know if I did. I said your posting was UGLY and it was.

I would not expect an apology from you... Anymore than I would think you would expect one from me. I feel your writings are condescending, ugly and rude. Just my opinion.

Julie

Parker · 03-13-2012, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Julie

Parker -- I never called you UGLY. Believe me, you would know if I did. I said your posting was UGLY and it was.

I would not expect an apology from you... Anymore than I would think you would expect one from me. I feel your writings are condescending, ugly and rude. Just my opinion.

Julie

And my opinion is that your posts towards me are the same. So at least we agree on that. lol

ps - it's really hard to argue with you because my sister's name is Julie and it feels like I am arguing with my sister.

Julie · 03-13-2012, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Parker

And my opinion is that your posts towards me are the same. So at least we agree on that. lol

ps - it's really hard to argue with you because my sister's name is Julie and it feels like I am arguing with my sister.

Even better Parker. Siblings argue all the time.
My sister's name is Dana and she is not speaking to me - because we argue LOL.

Julie

Parker · 03-13-2012, 04:09 PM

Ugh - I hate when I'm on the top of a page and I didnt quote anyone - it's like I'm talking to myself! lol

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Originally Posted by Julie

Even better Parker. Siblings argue all the time.
My sister's name is Dana and she is not speaking to me - because we argue LOL.

Julie

My sis and I are polar opposites and fought like cats and dogs when we were little - but thankfully, we're good friends now.

Mercury in retrograde, you have my sister's name ... it was like gas on a fire - I didnt stand a chance! lol

Julie · 03-13-2012, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Parker

My sis and I are polar opposites and fought like cats and dogs when we were little - but thankfully, we're good friends now.

Mercury in retrograde, you have my sister's name ... it was like gas on a fire - I didnt stand a chance! lol

Add PMS to the equation and you are lucky you are breathing LOL

In all seriousness. We all get emotional and have our opinions here. We are a hot headed passionate group who have genuine love for one another (well some) and it's really okay. Often we confuse people's intent because the lack of physical expression. If you saw my eyes, you would not need to even see body language - they speak volumes. But you cannot see mine or Bully's or Weatherboi's or Corkey's or any person here. The one issue with online.

Perhaps we could get Medusa to just have an EYE cam - then we could see more. Eeeeeeeeeeeek - lol - My eyes are puffy.

Julie

Corkey · 03-13-2012, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Julie

Add PMS to the equation and you are lucky you are breathing LOL

In all seriousness. We all get emotional and have our opinions here. We are a hot headed passionate group who have genuine love for one another (well some) and it's really okay. Often we confuse people's intent because the lack of physical expression. If you saw my eyes, you would not need to even see body language - they speak volumes. But you cannot see mine or Bully's or Weatherboi's or Corkey's or any person here. The one issue with online.

Perhaps we could get Medusa to just have an EYE cam - then we could see more. Eeeeeeeeeeeek - lol - My eyes are puffy.

Julie

Oh sweet jeebus no, I haven't combed my hair and look like Dennis the Menace!

Gemme · 03-13-2012, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Julie

No Umbrella please. Not that kind of girl.
I would prefer a Bombay with Tonic - Twist of Lemon, Lime and Orange.

I'll take the umbrella drinks. The sweeter and more ridiculous named drinks are my thang.

weatherboi · 03-13-2012, 05:03 PM

I never said butches demonize transguys. I asked

"Wow are the butches gonna demonize the transguys?"

A viable question at the time considering all that was being said and what I feared might be said and where it was heading. I won't apologize for that.

It is against the TOS to drag drama from other threads and name call just in case people forgot or think it is important. I think it is important since it is me getting name called and having my own shit drug around from space to space and getting accused of shaming.

Thanks for listening!

03-13-2012, 05:03 PM	#9
weatherboi Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Owned boy Preferred Pronoun?: Hey boy!!! Relationship Status: counting freckles slowly under Her direction!!! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: i have 2 sets of geographic coordinates!!! Posts: 6,097 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 26,797 Thanked 12,549 Times in 2,993 Posts Rep Power: 21474858	I never said butches demonize transguys. I asked "Wow are the butches gonna demonize the transguys?" A viable question at the time considering all that was being said and what I feared might be said and where it was heading. I won't apologize for that. It is against the TOS to drag drama from other threads and name call just in case people forgot or think it is important. I think it is important since it is me getting name called and having my own shit drug around from space to space and getting accused of shaming. Thanks for listening! __________________