Third or Other Gender Butch

Greyson · 03-30-2010, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BullDog

I have never understood why our genders or biological sex (whatever they may be) need to have a legal status to begin with.

That is a very excellent point. I have wondered myself but this is the current reality I/we live in and I try to thrive in. I think this need to codify ones gender and/or biological sex is most likely grounded, and mired in patriarchy.

AtLast · 03-30-2010, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Greyson

That is a very excellent point. I have wondered myself but this is the current reality I/we live in and I try to thrive in. I think this need to codify ones gender and/or biological sex is most likely grounded, and mired in patriarchy.

Absolutely rooted in patriarchy! And male-dominated jurisprudence. Not all that long ago, historically (speaking about modern western cultures, as this is still true in some other cultures), women could not own property, including children they bore! They could not divorce ... or vote (not until 1920 in the US)!

imperfect_cupcake · 03-30-2010, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AtLastHome

Absolutely rooted in patriarchy! And male-dominated jurisprudence. Not all that long ago, historically (speaking about modern western cultures, as this is still true in some other cultures), women could not own property, including children they bore! They could not divorce ... or vote (not until 1920 in the US)!

Or even buy a couch or a car, have a bank account, etc without a husband's signature even in the early 60's.

and people have no use for feminism. *teeth suck*

Jess · 03-30-2010, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by honeybarbara

Or even buy a couch or a car, have a bank account, etc without a husband's signature even in the early 60's.

and people have no use for feminism. *teeth suck*

they also could not have hysterectomy's or have other "sterilizing" procedures without consent from husband, even when it was medically advised.

Kenna · 03-30-2010, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jess

they also could not have hysterectomy's or have other "sterilizing" procedures without consent from husband, even when it was medically advised.

I personally think it's a terrible shame and crime that this still goes on in some countries and cultures.

AtLast · 03-31-2010, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Jess

they also could not have hysterectomy's or have other "sterilizing" procedures without consent from husband, even when it was medically advised.

There was a special on PBS the other night tracing the steps to Roe v. Wade that brings this to light in so many ways. The whole manner in which women had no say over anything having to do with their bodies. It also brought to light how WOC joined forces in the Feminist Movement as they (along with any poor women) were mostly subject to back-room abortion.

OK, we have derailed the thread!

Now that I think about it, however, if we did live in a perfect world and the binary was NOT used as a legal designation for gender..... how would this play out in terms of women's rights? I'd like to think that this could banish the tenets of male priviledge, but, would it? Seems possible.... but, would it in terms of the obvious gender related wealth and power that lies in the hands of men?

If trangendered and intergendered really became legal gender designations (which I believe should be), would we see (speaking of the US, here) a redistribution of wealth and power based upon gender?