"Butch" and "Femme" - Truly Antiquated Terms or More Marginalization?

[Cyclopea]

Originally Posted by Gemme

I never invalidated what you were saying. I was saying that using that vernacular in terms of myself and what I was explaining was not accurate. And it's not. It never will be, no matter how many people come in and say that it's right for them, it's not right for me, and that's what I was saying.

The term lesbian automatically means homosexual for you. Good. Looking at it the opposite way, for me, is not true. It's not good for me. As a homosexual, I am NOT automatically a lesbian. That's how I look at it.

Lesbian/Homosexual are Synonyms.
Not according to me, but according to the english language.
I guess whatever you are trying to say is going right over my head.
If I understand correctly, you are a homosexual who does not want the word homosexual applied to you? Thanks for trying to explain, I just am not getting it. Either way, I have tried 3 times to get clarification and I'm still not understanding so perhaps we ought to leave it there?

[Gemme]

Originally Posted by Cyclopea

Lesbian/Homosexual are Synonyms.
Not according to me, but according to the english language.
I guess whatever you are trying to say is going right over my head.
If I understand correctly, you are a homosexual who does not want the word homosexual applied to you? Thanks for trying to explain, I just am not getting it. Either way, I have tried 3 times to get clarification and I'm still not understanding so perhaps we ought to leave it there?

Fair enough. I don't expect to understand everything about everyone nor to have them understand everything about me. I do expect them to respect me without invalidation and I, in turn, try to do the same.

[NotAnAverageGuy]

Gemme, are you trying to say that you don't like the word lesbian being used to ID or label you?

I ask because I am kinda confused myself but I do get a bit about where you are coming from.

[Gemme]

Originally Posted by NotAnAverageGuy

Gemme, are you trying to say that you don't like the word lesbian being used to ID or label you?

I ask because I am kinda confused myself but I do get a bit about where you are coming from.

Yes, what you are asking is true. I do not identify as a lesbian. But no, that's not what I am saying.

I just posted something in response to AJ. When you read it, does my response make more sense now? If so, great. I can stop talking and feeling like everyone is speaking, like Corkey mentioned, a different language. To me, it's very simple. Obviously, and for once, I am apparently thinking along a higher plane (or different one altogether), maybe? I dunno.

If you still don't understand, I'll try again. It's important to me that I am understood. I don't have to be agreed with. Just understood.

[NotAnAverageGuy]

Originally Posted by Gemme

Yes, what you are asking is true. I do not identify as a lesbian. But no, that's not what I am saying.

I just posted something in response to AJ. When you read it, does my response make more sense now? If so, great. I can stop talking and feeling like everyone is speaking, like Corkey mentioned, a different language. To me, it's very simple. Obviously, and for once, I am apparently thinking along a higher plane, maybe? I dunno.

If you still don't understand, I'll try again. It's important to me that I am understood. I don't have to be agreed with. Just understood.

Yes i fully understand now and the response makes more sense