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[Dude]

Originally Posted by Darbonaire

. I have often wondered if some of the shit I've heard from masculine butches isn't envy in a way. <Figuring I may get a LOT of shit over that statement...lol> It's just something I've wondered is all.....not something I believe to be true....at least not all the time.

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scratches you off the list of Ftm's I want to support.
To say something like this figuring you will get shit
but saying it anyway is way off base and
speaks to your self esteem issues not mine or anyone else's.

No envy here.
This is where the line in the sand gets drawn , for me.
Completely content being the butch that I am.
Crap talk like this does nothing to foster allies or friendships.

[DMW]

Brute, i didn't even see that you were included in that also. Completely missed the word "I" in the her and I....geezle. Maybe time to go to the eye dr. Could be why i am getting these HA. I think you said that you are in a new area.That makes it thing difficult for awhile too. Transitioning and moving to a new area can be really trying. The two of you have each other and that is awesome. And i now realize that your femme was the femme that understood so well from the other thread...Good for you two! I am lovin' that realization. And it makes me smile.
I gotta go to work now...

Originally Posted by BrutalDyke

I'm glad you've got friends who are supportive. Wish I could say same for her and I.

[weatherboi]

Originally Posted by DMW

Brute, i didn't even see that you were included in that also. Completely missed the word "I" in the her and I....geezle. Maybe time to go to the eye dr. Could be why i am getting these HA. I think you said that you are in a new area.That makes it thing difficult for awhile too. Transitioning and moving to a new area can be really trying. The two of you have each other and that is awesome. And i now realize that your femme was the femme that understood so well from the other thread...Good for you two! I am lovin' that realization. And it makes me smile.
I gotta go to work now...

I thought we were leaving the other thread out of this DMW???

What I see you doing is kinda like pitting femmes against each other I think and maybe we should rethink that. Many femmes participated over there and all of them understand our plights greatly. I find it insulting considering my pookie bear was participating over there and you need to stop. It is unwelcoming and you are the OP.

[DMW]

Originally Posted by weatherboi

I thought we were leaving the other thread out of this DMW???

What I see you doing is kinda like pitting femmes against each other I think and maybe we should rethink that. Many femmes participated over there and all of them understand our plights greatly. I find it insulting considering my pookie bear was participating over there and you need to stop. It is unwelcoming and you are the OP.

weatherboi, i didn't mean any disrespect to any of the other femmes from that thread. Nor, to you. And that is true...i should not have mentioned it. I honestly, was just happy for the couple that they understand one another so well. maybe i will ask for this space to be taken off. i almost did yesterday. I am sorry that i upset you. I am not pitting anyone against anyone...i was just trying to take away some of the stress by starting a new thread here. Not to perpetuate drama or to add to it.

If the thread gets taken down...that is ok by me. I don't want the responsibility of the OP...or claim that this space is mine to police or what have you. I am not a moderator. I will let them have at it or ask them to close the thread myself. Seriously, it's all good to me. I am not coming from an angry place or anything like that. Just sayin

[Linus]

Originally Posted by DMW

weatherboi, i didn't mean any disrespect to any of the other femmes from that thread. Nor, to you. And that is true...i should not have mentioned it. maybe i will ask for this space to be taken off. i almost did yesterday. I am sorry that i upset you. I am not pitting anyone against anyone...i was just trying to take away some of the stress.
If the thread gets taken down...that is ok by me. I don't want the responsibility of the OP...or claim that this space is mine to police or what have you. I am not a moderator. I will let them have at it or ask them to close the thread myself. Seriously, it's all good to me. I am not coming from an angry place or anything like that. Just sayin

And I don't want this thread shut down. I mentioned this yesterday to the moderation team how right now I was feeling unwelcomed in my own community. Now, granted that part of that is due to my own busy life and such but at the same time, there are things here that I think are due to a huge lack of us carving out our own sense of community or existence (or however it could be termed).

I think we need this space. Transmen tend to fade into the woodwork. It's easier for us. The transforums I've run into a run by transwomen and are geared more for transwomen. There is space for us there but it's overwhelming leaned towards one side. For me, I have a history with this community and I personally taking a stand that we not fade into the woodwork.

We need to do the work, the sweat, the tears (although crying has stopped for me since beginning T; anyone else?!), the blood and so on. We have an experience that needs to be shared but needs to be done so without "othering".. well.. others. We need to build our history.

I want a community that I can belong to and feel safe with, dammit. And if it's not here, then I'm screwed.

So rather than give up, who else will stand?

[DMW]

Linus i am sorry, and i am sorry that i hurt weatherboi's feelings.
I thought about how the thread should have been started at a less emotionally charged time. If the moderators have to give me a time out that is ok by me. I will not ask them to shut down the thread.
I realize that the TOS says don't bring drama from one thread to another.
I didn't realize that saying something positive about one person would also bother someone else. That is sad. I will be very careful with what i say and i will also take a timeout if it has to be given.
That is ok. This thread should not be taken away from everyone because of a few people.

Thank you weatherboi...i am sorry. I honestly didn't realize that what i said about another thread could be misconstrued as rude. eventhough it was positive. I truly am sorry for that. Thank you for talking to me about it...i got some added time before work cause of this. I don't like hurting peoples feelings. Thank you

[Linus]

Originally Posted by DMW

Linus i am sorry, and i am sorry that i hurt weatherboi's feelings.
I thought about how the tread should have been started at a less emotionally charged time. If the moderators have to give me a time out that is ok by me. I will not ask them to shut down the thread.
I realize that the TOS says don't bring drama from one thread to another.
I didn't realize that saying something positive about one person would also bother someone else. That is sad. I will be very careful with what i say and i will also take a timeout if it has to be given.
That is ok. This thread should not be taken away from everyone because of a few people.

It's ok. Just remember context is everything.

[weatherboi]

Originally Posted by DMW

Linus i am sorry, and i am sorry that i hurt weatherboi's feelings.
I thought about how the thread should have been started at a less emotionally charged time. If the moderators have to give me a time out that is ok by me. I will not ask them to shut down the thread.
I realize that the TOS says don't bring drama from one thread to another.
I didn't realize that saying something positive about one person would also bother someone else. That is sad. I will be very careful with what i say and i will also take a timeout if it has to be given.
That is ok. This thread should not be taken away from everyone because of a few people.
Thank you weatherboi...i am sorry. I honestly didn't realize that what i said about another thread could be misconstrued as rude. eventhough it was positive. I truly am sorry for that. Thank you for talking to me about it...i got some added time before work cause of this. I don't like hurting peoples feelings. Thank you

And i now realize that your femme was the femme that understood so well from the other thread

Hey DMW-

I want to thank you for the dialogue and hope you understand after this I am ready to let all this go but

Let me be clear so you understand where I am coming from cause you seem to be missing it.

I have no problem you giving props to femmesational for her understanding of everything. I have no problem giving her props for her support of transfolk. My problem is while you are complimenting one femme you are using it in a way that insults others. Linus is right...context is everything and so is agenda and sometimes that dictates how we say things so I hope we can move forward here understanding what the problem really was. One slip up is one thing to me, but it has now been a few and you are not the only one doing it so I don't blame me questioning motivation, at this point I am guarded but ready to move forward...no more apologies just move forward.

[weatherboi]

No worries DMW really!
I want to see this thread be successful. We are all equal peers here and trying to navigate individual rides.

Originally Posted by DMW

weatherboi, i didn't mean any disrespect to any of the other femmes from that thread. Nor, to you. And that is true...i should not have mentioned it. maybe i will ask for this space to be taken off. i almost did yesterday. I am sorry that i upset you. I am not pitting anyone against anyone...i was just trying to take away some of the stress.
If the thread gets taken down...that is ok by me. I don't want the responsibility of the OP...or claim that this space is mine to police or what have you. I am not a moderator. I will let them have at it or ask them to close the thread myself. Seriously, it's all good to me. I am not coming from an angry place or anything like that. Just sayin

[DMW]

Darbonaire, i understand that you are struggling... but, please watch the inflammatory words...and please be respectful. Damn. I put my foot in my mouth too. Seriously, there is a time and place for some things. And you gotta know when to draw the line and watch what you say. People have feelings here Man. My post from yesterday got chopped up...i did chopped it up on accident.
So, i didn't get to clarify this same idea. I don't want you to feel picked on by me...but, damn man. Please watch what you say. Everyone on this site has to censor themselves with what they say in order to consider other member's feelings.
Keep that in mind and please be respectful. I have to go to work.